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Pashtun Identity: a reponse to Shaheen Buneri

Afghan orphan girls in Kabul school, October 2002. Photograph by the author, all rights reserved. Under the Taliban, women were forbidden to attend school.

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The flowers are blooming in the foothills of the Sulaiman Mountains, and many of them are poppies. I have long been an admirer of Pashtun culture, but let us not mince words: the Pashtun are behind the satanic epidemic of heroin addiction, a plague which will kill and degrade more young people than all the wars in the area.

This is a response to Shaheen Buneri's War on terror, Taliban and Pashtun nationalists

To date, the Pashtun have strongly resisted every effort to become a nation. If at this point in time the Pashtun have decided to become a nation of sorts, they must contend with the same problems as the Kurds and Chechens: tribes without boundaries. Will the nation-states of the area allow them to exist in peace? I sincerely doubt it. The problem of militants has not gone away.

The Awami National Party has aligned itself with the quasi-socialist Pakistan People's Party. This is a disastrous alliance: PPP has little interest in seeing an independent Pashtunistan of any sort, and has always viewed Khan Wali Khan's ANP as a poor cousin. There was a longstanding hatred between Khan Wali Khan and Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto of the PPP, whom Khan called Raja Dahir. This epithet was a deadly insult, for Raja Dahir was once a Hindu king of Sindh who stupidly played both sides against the middle and his allies deserted him. Dahir was beheaded for his trouble and his women confined to Muslim harems: Dahir has become a curse and a byword in Pakistan to this day. When Zulfiqar Ali Bhutto went to the gallows after many inept and cruel treacheries, Khan's curse came true. This alliance between ANP and PPP cannot last, will not last: the hatred goes back to before the foundation of Pakistan itself. The bizarre story of Khan Wali Khan, his efforts on behalf of the Pashtun people, his years of imprisonment, the death of his wife and children, the torture of his son, the murder of his friends, the many attempts on his life constitute a tale so long and incredibly sad I cannot recount it, even in brief without eruptions of dark anger. Suffice to say the PPP and ANP are merely opposed to a common enemy at present: there is no love lost between them.

As Khan Wali Khan grew old, his party became grossly corrupt under the influence of Khan's wife. I am not privy to the finances of the ANP at present, but ANP has become yet another family fiefdom, as has the PPP, another hideously corrupt political entity. There is no accountability: ANP is only found in the NWFP, and cannot be said to represent the Pashtuns except in part, for the Pashtuns are clans. For all practical purposes, the ANP should be called the Pashtunistan Party, for that seems to be their only goal. The ANP has the support of the clans at present: alliances change more often than underwear in that part of the world.

The Pashtuns are not the only group clamoring for independence: the Baluchi and Sindhi are separate movements. The ANP has variously allied itself to these similar if smaller movements, but at their cores, these parties are simply shifting alliances of warlords and clan chieftains.

The Pashtuns have made their bed incredibly hard: Gulbuddin Hekhmatyar, who this author believes to be one of the worst criminals alive at present in the world, is a Pashtun. Hekhmatyar thrives in Afghanistan, though it is likely he is in Tunisia at present, worth over 600 million dollars, much of it gained from heroin trafficking, the rest from outright theft from relief efforts. He stole a year's worth of medicine from Doctors Without Borders, and is directly responsible for the deaths of perhaps 30,000 Afghans in his destruction of Kabul. Hekhmatyar and his cronies run the Pashtun trucking mafia in Pakistan, and every guard along the Khyber Pass is on his payroll.

We cannot dissect away the Pashtuns and their legitimate grievances against Pakistan from the likes of the Hizb i-Islami or the Jameat i-Islami, any more than the Kurds cannot be separated from the PKK in Turkey. They are two sides of the same coin. Taliban equals Pashtun and by reflection Pashtun equals Taliban. There are exceedingly few Taliban who are not Pashtun, and both the ANP and Taliban are Pashtun nationalist movements. Let it never be forgotten that Mullah Omar is a Pashtun. While he ruled Afghanistan, we had a Pashtun in charge of a fair chunk of real estate. We think of Mullah Omar in terms of 9/11 and his relationship with Osama bin Ladin, but to the Afghan people, his reign is remembered as a nightmare of religious persecution. Mullah Omar remains at large, quite likely protected within the Pashtun world. There is an old Pashto proverb: Sta da khaira may tobah da, kho da spie de rana kurray ka. = don't give me a handout, just keep your dogs from attacking me.

Can the Pashtun identity be reconciled to civil politics, with the give and take of coexistence required for integration into Afghan/Pakistan politics? I have grave doubts. Deobandi Islam is a ferocious and backward influence, and its heart is within Pashtun-controlled territory. The Pashtuns have won a minor victory within Pakistan by allying themselves to their old enemy the PPP: within Afghanistan, the Pashtuns cross over from Pakistan to destroy school buildings, terrorize their fellow Pashtuns and kill NATO troops. The Pashtun chieftains tolerate the Taliban: they have not risen up to drive them away, as the Sunni sheikhs of Iraq have driven away the Al Qaeda terrorists. Unless and until such a movement is seen, I hold out no hope for the Pashtuns.

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{"commentId":1565482,"authorDomain":"blai"}

I've sorta given up on believing either Pakistan or Afghanistan will ever come to terms with their tribal issues. As with the Kurds in the Middle East, the borders of both Pakistan and India are artifacts of colonialism, purposely created to keep the Pashtun and Baluchi from ever becoming powers in their own right.

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Reply#1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:45 PM EDT
{"commentId":1566919,"authorDomain":"forestthamer"}

Great insight into an obvious sticking point between all parties involved. Thanks for keeping us informed.

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#1.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:15 PM EDT
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{"commentId":1565536,"authorDomain":"jaljones"}

Thanks BlaiseP. Very well written and cogent.

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Reply#2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:57 PM EDT
{"commentId":1565580,"authorDomain":"blai"}

Many thanks for your kind words. We have an unfortunate tendency in the West to sort people out into Good Guys and Bad Guys. There are no good guys in this equation: it is sad to realize now many good people are in prison or dead, just because they stood up high enough to get shot at. Pakistan and Afghanistan are hopelessly corrupt messes: the only time these people are ever at peace is when some horrible dictator has his foot firmly on everyone's necks.

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#2.1 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:08 PM EDT
{"commentId":1566319,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

Splendid as always. I'm curious though to what extent you believe the local Pashtun honchos are in tune with the Taliban and al Qaeda given the fact that the latter's carrots come with a bevy of sticks like severed heads of tribal chieftains and anyone who aids them. Much has been written of trying the counterinsurgency lessons of Iraq in the NWF and FATAs in the form of increased economic aid and better training for the NWF Corps. The problem though is unlike Iraq there won't be any US presence to make sure the aid doesn't get siphoned off in graft and since the locals have little experience with Americans other than the propagand they're fed and the resulting revulsion against the Pakistani government and the US it's hard to see how any of this is going to work.

I read Shaheen's piece and commented. What's really starting to bother me about NV is that good writing from people who really know something about all this continues to find a very small audience yet people who never darken the webpages of these articles feel perfectly at ease spouting all sorts of nonsense. I think I shall use that as the basis for my next article will be a Meta on this.

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#2.2 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:41 PM EDT
{"commentId":1567475,"authorDomain":"blai"}

The Pashtun chieftains are not interested in Al Qaeda, which was mostly a band of rich Arab foreigners. They only gave AQ shelter because of the Pashtunwali code of honor.

The Taliban is another story entirely. Baitullah Meshud is consolidating power, as I mentioned in a previous diary. Apropos to nothing, Bill Roggio is now in Iraq, doing the needful, you can follow him on Weekly Standard's site as well, I hope he gets much press.

But back to the Taliban: drug money is simply flooding in, the Taliban can literally outspend us in Afghanistan. We need a goddamn Surge in Afghanistan, not that we shall get one. At this rate, I foresee the Taliban returning to power, this time far more capable and dangerous. AQ be damned, they're pikers compared to the condottieri of Baitullah Meshud. Training a few miserable NWF corps, Jesus Christ, the Taliban has been battle hardened, and has successfully staved off every attempt to get to Mullah Omar.

As for knowing anything about what's going on, I've given up on thinking Newsvine gives a @!$%# about quality. I hope Shaheen sticks around, in terms of the significance of what he writes, he's about the best we've got. I write mostly for the few people who do give a damn about this stuff. The rest of these lunkheads can pound sand, it seems the more significant the writing, the lower the odds of it making an impact. Calvin clearly doesn't give a damn about it.

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#2.3 - Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:52 PM EDT
{"commentId":4706350,"authorDomain":"martinez"}

BlaiseP, many here do give a @!$%#. Between you and Bill, both of which I track, you guys offer to much knowlegde for the lamen like me to generally comment on. I read both of your pages regularly and learn a lot, but the depth of both of your columns requires a knowledge far beyond what I and I believe many others on Newsvine have.

Please keep writting. I'm awaiting the epiphany that allows me to connect all the dots and understand all the minute connections between all of the different peoples and countries in this region!

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    #2.4 - Wed Jan 7, 2009 5:21 PM EST
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    {"commentId":1570912,"authorDomain":"ForestBrowne"}
    As for knowing anything about what's going on, I've given up on thinking Newsvine gives a @!$%# about quality. I hope Shaheen sticks around, in terms of the significance of what he writes, he's about the best we've got. I write mostly for the few people who do give a damn about this stuff. The rest of these lunkheads can pound sand, it seems the more significant the writing, the lower the odds of it making an impact. Calvin clearly doesn't give a damn about it.

    Have to agree with you there. Thanks for the readable article as I myself am not up to speed with the Pashtun intricacies of their tribal politics. It does sound untenable though and as it pertains to Afghanistan I'm afraid the ship has come and gone on that one heroin money aside.

    Who pray tell takes control of such a swath of these hardliners aside from blocking them off from humanity?

    Forest

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    Reply#3 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:10 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1571609,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

    Forest,

    History tells us that no one takes "control" of the Pashtuns in this region. Not even Alexander did. The British sure didn't. Ask Dr. Brydon. The Pakistani NWF Corps is recruited from local Pashtuns but is ill-led and poorly trained in counterinsurgency and much of the econonic aid is siphoned off in all kinds of graft. The Taliban are Pashtuns but are not well-liked as the carrots they offer come with a lot of unsavory sticks like cross us and you and your family die. Al Qaeda has married into the tribes but is not well-liked either. We certainly can't go in stomping around without causing even more grief. No good choices but eventually something's got to give. Right now, Blaise's denigrations noted, the only option is to try and train the NWF Corps a helluva lot better, perhaps embed some SOCOM people and try the "Concerned Citizens" route from Iraq with some of the locals. It's a huge risk but the only one on the table now.

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    #3.1 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:02 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1571656,"authorDomain":"blai"}

    Well, I'm not "denigrating" the NWF paramilitaries, but I've seen this in Guatemala, the patrullos civiles. They can go one of two ways: corrupted by the insurgency, usually by threats to the family, or two, into the ground. Don't take a knife to a gunfight, and don't fight an insurgency without planning to keep the ground you take.

    Taking on Baitullah Meshud requires a lot more than a few lonely guys with old Moisin-Nagant rifles, who only took the job for the money.

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    #3.2 - Wed Mar 12, 2008 11:22 PM EDT
    {"commentId":1571786,"authorDomain":"ForestBrowne"}

    Well like I said I really don't know, it would be interesting to see what would happen if we left as the pressure wouldn't be as great and perhaps they could at that point start to work things out and talk to each other. It's got to be possible that this wouldn't have happened if we weren't there, but the gentlemen you describe doesn't lend to a considerable amount of hope.

    Oh and thanks Bill, but I believe your right it wouldn't make any difference so perhaps better training so the one side could take out the other isn't exactly what I would call a great solution.

    Clueless about Pakistan,

    Forest

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    #3.3 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:17 AM EDT
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    {"commentId":1572937,"authorDomain":"youssef51"}

    Many thanks for this excellent overview.

    Hekhmatyar thrives in Afghanistan, though it is likely he is in Tunisia at present, worth over 600 million dollars

    I don't understand what he and his wretched colleagues are doing with all that money. There must be perfectly guarded caves and storehouses in Afghanistan with cardboard boxes packed with 100 dollar bills stacked up to the ceilings.

    What will they do with all that money?

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    Reply#4 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:29 AM EDT
    {"commentId":1573133,"authorDomain":"blai"}

    The money isn't necessarily in Afghanistan. These days, the heroin goes north, into the Stans. It used to go through Iran, some still does, for it's a long border and the smugglers are astute, but Iran's hell on smugglers. Quite a bit goes into Pakistan, but that's mostly for Pakistani consumption. It's easier to move into the Stans.

    Once in the Stans, it moves toward Europe and Africa, especially to Nigeria, under the guidance and supervision of various criminal entities. Nigeria is emerging as the new French Connection: it's totally corrupt, and airport security especially so. Nigerians and especially the Lebanese of Lagos, who run everything in that gigantic Mos Eisley of a port city are the primary couriers. Enough legitimate commerce comes and goes from Nigeria to camouflage the heroin trafficking.

    The money seldom moves far: large-scale weapons sales are seldom conducted in cash. Often heroin is the currency.

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      #4.1 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 11:16 AM EDT
      {"commentId":1573574,"authorDomain":"youssef51"}

      Interesting.

      No matter what they are doing with the money, just imagine the power that is accumulating in the hands of those thugs. Afghanistan is Dreamland for them.

      I have a prediction: the Drug Lords, if attacked by the US for example, will develop into a long term terror threat that will make al Qaeda look like a bunch of little old ladies in a sewing circle.

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      #4.2 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 12:55 PM EDT
      {"commentId":1573656,"authorDomain":"blai"}

      We have been waging an off-the-books drug war in Colombia, Peru and Bolivia for decades.

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        #4.3 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:12 PM EDT
        {"commentId":1574174,"authorDomain":"youssef51"}

        Do you think the South American syndicates are as dangerous as the Afghanis? Globally?

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          #4.4 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:08 PM EDT
          {"commentId":1599102,"authorDomain":"blai"}

          Heh, the Afghani is the currency. Are the South American cartels as dangerous as the South Asian cartels? That's a tough one to answer. They're both destabilizing the governments of the countries they're in: they're cash-rich, they corrupt good government, they murder their enemies. Many of the dynamics are the same, but ranking them? I'm not up to that challenge.

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            #4.5 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:13 PM EDT
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            {"commentId":1573891,"authorDomain":"pamirpost"}

            Thanks for the article. My friend writes that the Pashtun are behind the satanic epidemic of heroin addiction, alright but why you consider this in isolation? Have you forgotten USSR agression against Afghanistan and the 25 year long war on Afghan soil? Corruption, addiction, militancy and extremism are all the by product of the war between the two world giants. The international powers destroyed Afghanistan and then left it in the lurch. If some one sow thorns can he expect flowers?

            For God sake why the world does not understand that the so-called civilized world is responsible for the problems and sufferings of Afghan nation.

            On the pretext of the war on terrorism, the United States is killing innocent children and women in Afghanistan, they are destroying Afghan cultural heritage and their presence in Afghanistan is the main reason behind the surging militancy. Who authorised the US to attack Iraq and Afghanistan?

            You mentioned Gulbadin Hikmatyar, the CIA agent and US friend in Afghanistan Jihad, yes he is a killer and smuggler, but he never represented Pashtuns. He was a jihadi and the US supported him for all the wrong doings. Gulbadin is also an agent of Punjab dominated Pakistani establishment. He may belong to a Pashtun tribe but he is not the leader of the millions of Pashtuns.

            Pashtuns are not terrorists they are the victims of the terrorism unleashed by American CIA and Pakistan secret agencies--the allies in the so-called war on terrorism. What we demand that please allow us to live according to our own traditions and cultural heritage, do'nt push us into the flames of war for the protection of your vested interests.

            Alqaeeda was not launched by Pashtuns, it was the brain child of American CIA with Osama bin laden as its leader. Arab friends of the United state used Isalm as a tool for jihad ( Pashtun nationalist leader wali khan called it "Fasad" ( Bloodshed) against USSR and now the same religion is used against Pashtuns.

            The vested interest always ignored the genuine concerns of Pashtuns and never give them a chance to live in peace. One point should be clear unless you dont involve Pashtuns in the peace process and dont strengthen their institutions there is no possibility of a peaceful Asia.

            Build schools in tribal areas, educate Pashtuns, give them an opportunity to aquire techinical skills, develop their infrastructure and respect their culture and I hope that all Hikmatyars, Mullah Omars, Osamas and Baitullah Mehsuds will be vanished once for all.

            Pashtuns are in the state of war, they are fighting for their survival. Please leave them in peace and dont push their young generation into the flames of another war.

            You also mentioned that Pashtuns are struggling for Pashtunistan, this is totally baseless. Pashtuns are struggling for their rights and control over their resources within the limits of Pakistan. They demand that Afghanistan should survive and prosper and the foreign powers should refrain from interfering in Afghanistan internal affairs.

            Let me assure you that PPP and ANP government will not only survive till the end but it will also play a remarkable role in curbing terrorist and extremist tendencies in the society. Pashtuns are now awakening, they know their enemy and they are ready for change. DOnt lose heart, spring has really reinvigorated life in the deserts of Pakistan tribal areas and Pashtunkhwa.

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            Reply#5 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 2:05 PM EDT
            {"commentId":1574183,"authorDomain":"blai"}

            Not for all the world would I offend you, but it is Pashtuns who exist on both sides of the heroin debate. I would argue there is no such thing as Afghanistan: it is the creation of the colonial powers that fought there long before the Americans arrived. Afghanistan is the graveyard of empires.

            The USSR came to set up a proper Communist state, and the USA saw the opportunity to revenge itself for Vietnam. Afghanistan never existed: there was Kabul and everywhere else. The Pashtun clans allied themselves variously for and against the Communists, Hekhmatyar has changed alliances at least seven times: that much I know. Taliban does equal Pashtun: that much is beyond argument.

            Afghanistan cannot be a unified country. Far too many forces operate against unification. The Pashtuns, as you know very well, will kill each other given half a chance. The tribes of the Panjshir Valley have no love for the Pashtuns, either.

            Our war in Afghanistan is not a pretext. In that lawless state, easily the world's most lawless state at present, the Pashtun government of Mullah Omar gave sanctuary to terrorism, and we were entirely justified in removing it. The Pashtuns continue to harbor Mullah Omar in their ranks. You may skip over the Authorization business, who gave Osama bin Ladin sanctuary after every other government in the world had expelled him? You know the answer as well as I: the Pashtun government of Mullah Omar.

            Many Pashtuns like yourself, people of education, and may I take this opportunity to commend you on your remarkable command of the English language, are a tiny minority within the Pashtun world. The Pashtuns practice Deobandi Islam, the most backward and repressive form of that great religion, and it is Deobandi Islam which guides the Taliban.

            I do not lump all Pashtuns into the camp of the Taliban, but the Pashtun have been feuding horribly among themselves for many centuries. Because they cannot unite under reasonable leadership, they are obliged to turn to their enemies in the PPP for any mandate at all. When will the Pashtun at last cease their feuding? When will they stop blaming everyone else for their problems? The Deobandi Pashtuns brought down the wrath of the USA on their own heads,

            I will not agree with all this talk of the Heart of the Pashtuns. I love the Pashtun people, they are a noble and decent people, they are singers and poets, their women are beautiful and their hearts are strong, but they are proud and make too many excuses for their own backwardness. While Pashtun kills Pashtun, it should not surprise you that outside forces would connive with one side against the other. The Pashtun became the unwitting servants of the ISI, and died by the thousands fighting a war which was not theirs. Screaming "Allah-u ahkbar", they ran like stupid children into the guns of the USSR. The Pashtun were led around by the nose by the ISI, not the CIA.

            Al Qaeda was the creation of an Palestinian named Abdullah Yusuf Azzam, not an American. It would be Imam Azzam who wrote the first fatwa against the USSR's occupation of Afghanistan in 1979. Osama bin Ladin came to Afghanistan, answering the call of this fatwa. It is strongly suggested the Bin Ladin family was also involved in the 1979 attack on al-Masjid al-Haram, the chief mosque in the Muslim world. Do not commingle the American involvement against the USSR with the fataawa of Imam Azzam. They simply fought the same enemy, as the ANP and PPP now find themselves in bed together in NWFP.

            The Pashtuns have never, ever lived in peace, with anyone. For thousands of years, they have been their own worst enemy, servants and soldiers, fighting in the armies of foreigners, killing each other with inventive cruelty. I do sincerely hope the Pashtuns escape the cycle of violence which now divides them so bitterly, and it will be men of good will like you who will tell us the story. Please continue to write for Newsvine: your input is valuable beyond words to tell, Shaheen.

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            #5.1 - Thu Mar 13, 2008 3:11 PM EDT
            {"commentId":1576099,"authorDomain":"pamirpost"}

            My friend, I accept the fact that Pashtuns are still living in a tribal society. Like any society of the world Pashtun society has both merits and demerits. What I advocate is that if you really interested in curbing terrorism give pen to our children and not weapons.

            Who launched Alqeeda? Abdullah Azam, Osama or CIA? what ever, but US can not absolve itself of rearing and encouraging Alqaeeda and making it the most dreadful organization in the world. It brought destruction to Pashtun region, it destroyed the glorious and humanistic values of my culture. This is a fact.

            I know that in power politics there are no permanent friends and foes. In Afghanistan jihad Pashtuns were used as gun poweder by the CIA and ISI.

            Today they are dubbed as terrorists and extremists for the promotion of US world agenda. My point is that the world should understand that this policy will further geopardise world peace.

            If the Bush administration is so willing to waste billions of American tax payers on war in Afghanistan and Pakistan tribal areas why it deos not spend half of the amount on developing educational institutions for us.

            Dont send bombs please, we are really tired of war and bloodshed. Are we not human beings in your eyes. Dont call us terrorists, come read our songs and you will know that we have a mild and purely humane heart beneath our harsh eyes and rugged faces.

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            #5.2 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 3:20 AM EDT
            {"commentId":1576399,"authorDomain":"blai"}

            Thank you again for your response, Shaheen. Yes, the Pashtun people live in a tribal society: those who love each other must speak honestly. May I urge you to consider another tribal people, the Kurds of Iraq, as an example for the Pashtuns. These Kurds have taken advantage of American involvement to rebuild their society. Things are not perfect in the world of the Kurds, but they are improving in ways the Pashtun people could benefit by studying.

            Al Qaeda was not the creation of the USA. Even during the war against the Communist regime, they were not under American control. Al Qaeda was a minor part of a much larger struggle, so small we missed them. Al Qaeda was an odd little organization. To our lasting harm, we simply didn't pay attention to them. The Americans backed Ahmed Shad Mahsood of the Panjshir, a Tajik. Mahsood and Burhanruddin Rabbani were mujahideen we liked better than the Taliban, but the ISI made sure all the money went to the Pashtun Taliban.

            At no point did the Americans have any other agenda than to remove the Communists from Afghanistan. When America does something, my friend, you must remember how ignorant Americans are: never call something a Conspiracy or a World Agenda which can also be explained as Stupidity. How many Americans take the trouble to read Persian ghazal or learn the finer points of Pashtun grammar?

            A handful of CIA agents in Pakistan never had control of that war. A man cannot buy friends and America can't buy victories. America did not pay attention to Afghanistan after the Communists left. At any rate, we could do nothing. Even the ISI couldn't do much about the Taliban once they were in power. Pakistan can do nothing about the Taliban inside now: I would urge you to consider how much less America can do.

            America learns its geography from the war reporting. The Americans know, for instance, that Pashtuns live in several different countries. They know not all Pashtuns are Taliban. They know the Pashtuns returned from refugee camps in Pakistan, back to Afghanistan. They know names like NWFP, FATA, Baluchistan, Helmand, Tora Bora – oh Americans are learning. And we are fighting and dying for the Pashtuns of Afghanistan, against other Pashtuns who destroy the schools and clinics we build. That is our agenda in the world, especially in the Pashtun world. Is this wasted money? You say the USA is not developing educational institutions for us: that is exactly what we are doing, and it is the Taliban who dynamite the schools we build.

            If the Pashtuns do not like bombs, they can start by discrediting the Taliban who destroy what we build in Afghanistan. We cannot solve your problems. It is time for Pashtuns to solve their own problems.

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            #5.3 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 8:04 AM EDT
            {"commentId":1576899,"authorDomain":"youssef51"}
            When America does something, my friend, you must remember how ignorant Americans are: never call something a Conspiracy or a World Agenda which can also be explained as Stupidity.

            This is a pearl of great price.

            It explains a great deal of the history of US foreign policy. And its explanatory power has been 100% for the last 7 years.

            The Americans know, for instance, that Pashtuns live in several different countries. They know not all Pashtuns are Taliban. They know the Pashtuns returned from refugee camps in Pakistan, back to Afghanistan. They know names like NWFP, FATA, Baluchistan, Helmand, Tora Bora – oh Americans are learning.

            Wait. Americans know? How many are we talking about here?

            Let's start with the basics! Thought experiment: We ask 1000 randomly selected American adults the following question:

            What does the word Pashtun mean?

            How many know this is the name of an Asian ethnic group.

            My guess: Fewer than 100. Maybe 50.

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            #5.4 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 10:35 AM EDT
            {"commentId":1578023,"authorDomain":"blai"}

            The operative question is: What does Pashtun mean to the Pashtun people?

            You might be surprised to know many, many Americans are following this war intensely, for their children, friends, co-workers are fighting it. We are fighting for the rights of the Pashtun: I beg of you to let go of this idea of America the Great Enemy. We are not idiots, and we are not your enemy. When the USA invaded Afghanistan and drove off the regime of Mullah Omar, hundreds of thousands of refugees went back to Afghanistan. BlaiseP's Law of Refugees states: "you may tell the good guy from the bad guy in any fight by watching which way the refugees run. They run away from the bad guy and toward the good guy."

            Our present president may not be the sharpest knife in the drawer, but the American military and the American people support this war against the Taliban. Our blood is in the dirt of Afghanistan. While the Taliban dynamites the schools we build, murders those who work to better the Afghan society and murders Pashtun leaders who dare oppose them, you might think twice before calling our foreign policy completely misguided.

            The Pashtun people themselves are sharply divided on the issue of the Taliban. While this division exists, America must forever be torn between viewing the Pashtuns as an oppressed minority and a deadly enemy. You probably know this proverb:

            چه کلي دوه شي، د چغلو ښه شي

            When the community feuds, the gossip has won.

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              #5.5 - Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:44 PM EDT
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              {"commentId":1582373,"authorDomain":"baryal"}

              Hi, being a Pashtun, I will say that Pashtuns are the ultimate victoms of the imperial wars being fought on our land since 19th Century. From Great Game to the Cold War, to the War on terrorism, and now to the New Great Game, immensely destructive agenda have been pursued by foreign powers on our land that have left adverse impact on our people and caused political and social dilution/disintegration of our society. Elimination and marginalization of the genuine Pashtun political leadership (e.g. in Afghanistan) and nurturing sudo-leaders (e.g. Mullahs used by the Western poers to counter USSR) ready to further foreign interrests on our land is another grave consequence of all this.

              Mr. BlaiseP is actually a reductionist simplifying a complex historical process spread over almost two centuries to a point-of-time scenario. To him the reality is that he sees today without any link to the events in the past.. Or may be he is being parochial because that is what provides a justification to the gobal policies of the country/nation he represents.

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              Reply#6 - Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:27 PM EDT
              {"commentId":1582543,"authorDomain":"wharrison55"}

              Mohammed, I believe you should go to Blaise's column and read his many historically-laden articles before passing such a judgment. I know of no more learned man on the Vine.

              Welcome to Newsvine. Some of us are trying to draw more attention to writers with firsthand knowledge of today's many issues in this area. I look forward to reading you.

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                #6.1 - Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:45 PM EDT
                {"commentId":1583455,"authorDomain":"blai"}

                As-salaam aleikhum, Mohammed Naeem... if I have given offense, forgive me. I deeply admire the Pashtun culture. Please read another article I have written on the Pashtun people, which covers many of the same points you make.

                The Pashtun are Muslim, but practice a far more ancient and unwritten code of justice called Pashtunwali. We think of Taliban sharia as a strict, inflexible and horribly misogynistic system, and so it has become, but it was not always so. Given its head, Pashtunwali is astonishingly democratic, encompassing personal honor, personal responsibility, protection of the guest and stranger, swift justice, and romance.

                Yes, romance! For all this talk of their horrible treatment of women, the Pashtun concept of love beggars anything in the West. The Pashtun sing the Persian ghazal, a poetic form, from the Persian word gazelle, the dying scream of this delicate animal. The closest I can come to ghazal is the Browning Sonnets from the Portuguese, or some of John Donne's poetry. You must envision the most ferocious man on the planet, sadly singing of his isolation from the woman he loves, of the wilderness within himself. The ghazal is heartbreakingly beautiful stuff, often deeply abstract and spiritual. The comparison to Donne is fairly apt.

                The Pashtun people are, in my opinion, the one group of people the USA should have honored and befriended in the region. The Pashtuns have been oppressed horribly by every regime who attempted to control them. The Pashtun, like the Kurds of Iraq, have my utmost admiration, they are the best soldiers in the world. We have stupidly made enemies of the Pashtuns: the USA will not defeat them.

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                #6.2 - Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:01 AM EDT
                {"commentId":1584996,"authorDomain":"pamirpost"}

                Thanks BlaiseP, I really really appreciate your understanding of Pashtun culture and traditions and I am also thankful to all the participants in this debate. What I would like to say is that terrorism is a alien phenomenon to my society and the long standing instability in my region is distracting Pashtun nation from their historical values.

                Personally I believe that the US administration is not intrested in curbing terrorism at all, this statement may be astonishing for some of my friends but ground realities have proved that promoting terrorism and dubbing it as an Islamic pratice serves American interest. But once again Pashtuns have become the victim of this cruel policy.

                For 25 long years the US trained and recurited Jihadies and sent them to fight USSR, now the US says that it was a need of the hour--every thing is fair in love and war--but the champions of human rights and democracy never realized that this war brought havoc to millions of people in the region.

                And again it left Afghanistan in the lurch? DO your government never cared for human sufferings?

                Pashtuns are an integral part to the whole story and if again the US ignore their importance it will be another blunder of a very gigantic status. Pashtuns demand dont play your game of interests on our soil. enough is enough.

                Let us build Afghanistan for the coming generations of this unfortunate nation, let us talk peace and refrain from blood shed on one or another pretext, let us stop this fire in which we have been burning for the last 25 plus years.

                The newlly designated Chief Minister of frontier Amir Haider Hoti has said that Taliban is a reality and his government will talk to them. Spokesman of the local Taliban Maulvi Omar has responded that Taliban will be more than happy to talk to the newly elected government of nationalistis for the resolution of the conflict. This is a good sign for my region but I am wondering will the US and its forces will refrain from further inflaming the situation by firing missiles in the Waziristan from across the border?

                If yoy really believe in political dialogue and democracy let us say no to guns and launch dialogue on issues that is geopardising world peace and creating chaos in the Pashtun region. Are you listening?

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                #6.3 - Sun Mar 16, 2008 3:12 PM EDT
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                {"commentId":1582383,"authorDomain":"baryal"}

                Neverthless, he seems to be an American of South Asian origin.

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                Reply#7 - Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:30 PM EDT
                {"commentId":1583928,"authorDomain":"youssef51"}

                As-salaam aleikhum, Mohammed Naeem.

                Neverthless, he seems to be an American of South Asian origin.

                I happen to know that your guess is incorrect.

                And what bearing would that have on BlaiseP's arguments if your guess was correct?

                None, I should think.

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                #7.1 - Sun Mar 16, 2008 8:22 AM EDT
                {"commentId":1584249,"authorDomain":"blai"}

                I am an American, and my family supports the first and only women's clinic in Kabul. We are not of South Asian origin, but I am amused and somewhat pleased you would make this mistake.

                Har chata khpal watan kashmir de

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                  #7.2 - Sun Mar 16, 2008 10:53 AM EDT
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                  {"commentId":1583296,"authorDomain":"zeeg"}

                  I am shocked to see the ignorance on the part of the writer. Why didn't you just simply refer us to the US perception and policy on the matter instead of wasting your time on writing redundant stuff?

                  No hard feelings.

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                  Reply#8 - Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:11 PM EDT
                  {"commentId":1583476,"authorDomain":"blai"}

                  I am sorry you feel this way. My viewpoint is a bit larger than what Americans see. I am writing in response to Shaheen Buneri, an excellent reporter in the region. I made that clear from the title. What is redundant about this article?

                  I am gratified to find Pashtuns reading this article, however little you may like it. Feel free to read more I have written about the Pashtuns here.

                  I am never so proud but what I can learn from someone. Please criticize this article, but be detailed in your criticism. Tasha kor.

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                    #8.1 - Sun Mar 16, 2008 1:09 AM EDT
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                    {"commentId":1583839,"authorDomain":"gedanken"}

                    Shaheenbuneri and Mohammad Naeem thank you for your informative posts.

                    Blaise, outcome you didn't mention Bush/Cheney, Zalmay Khalilzad and the Trans-Afghanistan Pipeline?

                    Zalmay Khalilzad co-wrote in The Washington Quarterly in its Winter 2000 issue, "Afghanistan could prove a valuable corridor for this [Caspian Sea] energy as well as for access to markets in Central Asia."

                    Khalilzad was a State and Defense Department official during the Reagan years, he helped supply the anti-Soviet mujihadeen with weapons they're now using to fight Americans. During the '90s Khalilzad worked as Unocal's chief consultant on its Afghan pipeline scheme.

                    It's always about the money.

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                    Reply#9 - Sun Mar 16, 2008 6:39 AM EDT
                    {"commentId":1599057,"authorDomain":"baryal"}

                    Thanks for kind words Mr. BlaisP and other friends. Mr. BlaisP you Pashto seems to be very good.

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                      Reply#10 - Wed Mar 19, 2008 10:56 PM EDT
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